State of Things: Afghanistan, Historical Anniversaries, and More (2023)

On the August 29, 2021 edition of State Of Things With Aisha & Jill, the women discussed:

– Afghanistan
– The recent 58th anniversary of the March on Washington
– The recent 16th anniversary of hurricane Katrina
– Last week was the 20th anniversary of the death of Aaliyah
– The recent 66th anniversary of the murder of Emmett Till
– This episode’s cockroach: Kristi Noem

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whatever milestones that black people
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make against hate
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it ends up benefiting
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all the other people of color i can’t
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see what his endgame is the republican
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party is the party of racism is the
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party of white supremacy is the party of
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hate this is wrong and it needs to stop
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everybody wants to go back and drag that
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piece of history up but they don’t want
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to go back and deal with what their
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ancestors did to the indigenous people
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and to black people in this country
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uh-uh you got to go and you got
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billionaires talking about going to
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space and jeff bezos go
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never come back i hope you get lost this
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man has lost his mind
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come on girlfriend
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[Music]
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what is up everybody it’s dr vibe here
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for miracles and the solution for
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someone’s problem
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usually we do state of things on excuse
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me saturday night but the weather mother
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nature’s in control these days
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so
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chill was having some challenges with
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being too hot in cali aisha too much
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storm so we’re doing it here on sunday
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and thank you for the people that are
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here but you’re not here to see and
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listen to me these are the people you’re
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hearing wanted to hear and listen to so
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they are here with us as a van halen
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song would say right here right now
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what’s going on ladies jill you are on
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mute
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how we doing ladies good good very good
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i mean it’s not so hot here today so no
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outages everything
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seems like you got to stay on your toes
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in this economy and climate
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this economy this climate this
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everything so are you sure are the
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storms gone away yeah it was just cloudy
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here today no rain and no wind it was
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just cloudy all day
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so it was pretty it was much better it’s
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like the second weekend
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that we’ve had wi-fi outages because of
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the um tropical storm
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last weekend oh god crazy they thought
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it was going to be a hurricane thank god
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it wasn’t
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and you had you and you were having
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power outages outdid in your place of
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the world jail
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yeah i think everybody had their acs on
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like i apparently am
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always in the top percentile of using my
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ac i basically even noticed like you’re
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in the top percentage of people in your
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neighborhood using the most power
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i’m like oh great well i’ll make up for
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it by
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you know uh buying in bulk and you know
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i try to offset my carbon footprint but
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i don’t know this it was it’s been hard
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this year challenging times challenging
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yeah i mean i’ve got my ac up pretty
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high right now it’s 75 degrees outside
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it’s a humid 75.
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well we’ve had inter well where i am
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living we have only had a straddle of
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rain over the last two weeks
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like cows
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cows could make a living on my front
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lawn whoa
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really really really just
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oh my gosh it’s been really bad like
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this summer we had three
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heat waves but this one’s really
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significant has gone on for about two
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weeks are you having droughts
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yeah like for example we’ve had heat
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warnings in the toronto area for the
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last five days so that means 30 degrees
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celsius which is 86 degrees fahrenheit
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plus humidity was pushing it to 40
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degrees cent awful it’s just it’s
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ridiculous like i think we’re going
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crazy from like 93 to 60
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and and then from 70 and then no we
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don’t know
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nighttime temperatures only get down to
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like 75 degrees fahrenheit and then
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there’s humidity that’s it doesn’t go it
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like 60s no
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it doesn’t it just stars were not
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hitting the 60s either it was like if i
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wanted to do any baking i may have had a
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half an hour break at two or three in
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the morning and that’s
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it just kept ramping up i mean
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i think i went in my car and it was a
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hundred and five or hundred and four wow
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yeah i was just like oh
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you know so yeah it was pretty bad
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well let’s let’s
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let’s shout out our family black beauty
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hello
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jen myers hello
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and blue reigns hello everybody
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so we’re loving it i know we’re on a
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different night this week so
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yeah yeah sorry about that hey no
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problem that’s all right that’s all
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right no problem and just fyi for
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everybody next ones like next weekend’s
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a long weekend so we may
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we’ll see what happens let’s just let’s
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see that’s right that’s right next
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weekend is a long weekend because i i am
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probably going to be well maybe i can do
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it i’ll be in the province of quebec in
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montreal
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you know we’ll be able to we should be
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able to do it we should be able to do it
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next weekend from the province of
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quebecois so let’s get down to libya
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hey before we go any further
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um memories of our show last week ask us
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anything any thoughts oh my gosh oh i
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had a good time that was such fun
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i did i actually it was great yeah jen
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myers is a friend of mine and she was
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telling me today
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that um
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she really enjoyed it and the questions
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were really great wonderful they were it
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was really good to get to know everybody
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true you know more yes because folks we
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don’t get a chance to talk like visually
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outside of the show we of course are
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using the back channels of twitter and
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all that stuff but there’s a lot of
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things that i’m sure a lot of people
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things that people didn’t know about me
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that i just shared just openly and i
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just said we’re gonna do well at least
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do that once a quarter folks at least
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once a quarter so i think it’s really
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good and we’re always looking for people
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to come on if you want to join us too
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just saying
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yeah just
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talking you know off line and stuff all
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right i get to really have that kind of
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chat with you
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okay jen is saying yes loved that show
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beautiful thank you thank you thank you
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all right let’s get to some conversation
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topics
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oh
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boy afghanistan
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well i mean we knew we knew it was going
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to devolve into that
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um
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i don’t think that was a surprise
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um unfortunately
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we we just aren’t in any position to
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we’re not in any position really to do
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anything
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other than get out
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it’s it’s like i understand but people
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have for just
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america’s not that country anymore
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it’s not i don’t know
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what else is going on
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without bringing more men in we only had
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2500 men in there since
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trump took them out uh took about what 5
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000 or 7 000 out
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in december of 2020 so that’s not who we
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are
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we’re going through a real a different
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kind of rebranding and you know i had
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told you guys a long time ago that even
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the ambassadors from other countries
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were saying
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america is not going to police the world
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and i also feel that from that comment
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um that was key that
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uh
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of what our allies were thinking
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that they’re not going to just follow us
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blindly
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and oh we got your back since whatever
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those days are gone donald trump ruined
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all of that
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um
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and i really do feel that we’re just in
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a very different time
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uh
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there there’s been a real shift in
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everything and allegiances are not going
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to be based just upon the mere fact of
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your yesterday with somebody it’s not
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yeah
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i mean 20 years it’s a long time to have
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people continue to have faith in you and
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to not see any progress i mean it’s like
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the
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we we’ve been there almost 20 years
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and people are there was no end game
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and a lot of our allies were hoping that
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there would be an end game that we at
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least had that kind of plan and we
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assured them that there would be one and
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that’s part of the problem is that
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we haven’t kept our promises so why
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would we expect our allies to
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really you know
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want to step up and want to be there and
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want to support us in the same way is
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that we’ve we’ve kind of in some ways
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let a lot of people down
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and donald trump made it even worse
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by just doing what he did in terms of
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pulling people out
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um and it was all because of his
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personal
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um
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allegiances with the taliban well
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releasing 5000 taliban people from jail
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basically
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destroyed us in the war the war ended
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then that’s when we lost was when he did
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that you don’t release the people that
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we sent and sacrifice our men and women
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to put them in jail he made life more
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dangerous for everybody living there and
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he also put our men and women at risk
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again this is his fault it’s very simple
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this war is nothing to do right now with
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what’s going on is
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donald trump released 5 000 criminals
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taliban he let him go
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the the this is like that’s where it
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starts it’s like we had been there
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16 years or 17 years by the time he came
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in or whatever and he lets them go
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well that is that is
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it’s like with any gang yeah they re-up
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when you let them go
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they get out of out of jail or out of
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confinement or out of whatever and they
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re-up together and they just have a new
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plan of how to attack but that was part
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of his plan with russia
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that was it
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that was the tip
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and
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they need to keep
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going down the road and investigating
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that man because that was part of it
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just like what he did with the turks
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because when the kurds
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that was another disrupter you can’t see
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somebody doing the same thing a couple
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of times and then it’s like uh you
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suddenly don’t realize this just
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sabotaging me you know that’s what he
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did he was the savage he was the
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saboteur he was there to uh get rid of
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everything and mess up and and invite
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people for a party at that up in uh
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wherever they go and i’m sorry to be so
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rude but
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it’s it’s absolutely
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unacceptable
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and um there’s a special place in hell
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for him because that is what he did and
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when he let 5 000 of them go that was
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when he picked all over every
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soldier
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that we had who lost their lives or
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sacrificed their lives so as far as i’m
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concerned he’s the one who deserves the
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slap if you see him out
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yeah i mean
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it it wasn’t like he did this without
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any kind of planning like he did with
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everything oh he planned it he knew he
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had the power to disrupt it and he knew
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they were going to get the band back
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together he knew it well he knew he knew
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that but without any
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what americans would have considered a
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visible plan of anything he had his side
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plan he had uh that 20 and how many tons
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of gold do we have up there exactly so
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what what really there was a plan to get
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that
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that
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was the ultimate plan i still don’t know
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what the details were but all that
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revolved the schmoozing that come over
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to my house and have a drink
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there never you know he said was such a
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disingenuous person but the reality is
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they want that money they want those
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coins we have them they don’t have them
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so
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uh is that some kind of leverage that we
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are going to have to give them their
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gold back i don’t know
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i mean but they can’t be having folks
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going around blowing themselves up
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because
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that money could just disappear right
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unless i forget this this was the same
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former president who wanted to invite
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the taliban to camp david
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that’s what i’m talking about but where
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i fault joe biden is he still let the
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mike flins of the world run around he
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still let very very dangerous people who
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have deep ties in those
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that’s where i’m on joe biden’s behind
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about because
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um
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any
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yet again when you’re in a street fight
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you don’t you know show up with like
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toothpicks and you know
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whatever you know what i’m saying like
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you have to plan ahead this i mean are
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they just is it a revelation to them i’m
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sitting at home watching this stuff on
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tv and i think i can kind of figure out
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how the game is being played joe biden
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needed to have
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merrick garland who is he dead or
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something because i don’t even know if
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he’s alive anymore
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i don’t know what the hell he’s doing
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because seriously is he dead someone
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please should go check his office
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like i said the last time
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anybody who is not afraid to fight you
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in shower shoes
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you’ve got to know i’m not weird for
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them okay that’s true
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they fight you in flip-flops when your
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people have steel-toed military boots
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and they don’t care right yeah you you
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got to prepare for a different kind of
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game let’s go the audience got luck uh
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green eyed baby
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yes you because i sometimes get
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tongue-tied with all these these handles
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when 45 turned his back on our allies
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the courage oh he the courage he opened
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up the isis floodgates now the taliban
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is more powerful
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also saying 45 ruined the world not just
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america we sure did black beauty the
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ladies are on point and i wish our media
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was putting this out there
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our media is a bunch of wimps and uh he
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had he had an agenda and then black
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beauty is saying and let’s not forget
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we’re in for their for their poppy our
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fur
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far drug cart pharma pharmacy drug
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products
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yeah yeah yeah i mean where do we we we
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have so many resources that we get from
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that particular part of the world
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and we can’t overlook that yeah you’ve
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got novartis you’ve got sanofi
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you’ve got uh merck you’ve got all of
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those who are somehow tied to this we
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did with the poppy that’s very very true
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we got a bunch of them we’ve got how
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many millions now are opium addicted uh
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that’s a big problem we have money that
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went there to help them with these
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situations and it never never went
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anywhere
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um we have a bunch of women now who have
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to go back under cloak and you know
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hopefully you know i don’t know what’s
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going to happen to them but
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if anything
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it was very foolish for anybody to ever
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think that they would instill democracy
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because let’s be honest saudi arabia
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would just have kittens if that ever
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happened anyway because
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they’re the main ones behind talk about
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the biggest backstabbers talk about the
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you know
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serpent’s tongue of a country they’ll be
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whatever you want them to be at the time
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yeah uh and frankly you know
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they they can’t even trust their own
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family members so how could you ever do
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business with people like that how
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but the reason that you can is because
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all of them are the same
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all of them
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the fact that they even have careers in
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it nancy pelosi
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donald trump any of them
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mitch mcconnell
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they’ve been in here and they’re too
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long in the tooth to pretend something’s
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a shock in my opinion oh look what he
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did look but this really y’all didn’t
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sit up there and think about how
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having a bunch of drinks sometimes how
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you could freaking run this thing come
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on and if you didn’t then please leave
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and step down and if dianne feinstein or
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whatever the hell her name is does not
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resign we will be stuck if newsom loses
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with a the whole freaking senate will be
17:45
gone to us i mean gone
17:48
she needed to retire 100 years ago the
17:51
woman falls asleep in meetings no this
17:53
is really unbelievable
17:55
it’s like
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we needed to do this we have an election
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on the 14th what is she going to wait
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until after she should have let newsom
18:03
assign who the new senator will be
18:06
taking her place
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and i can’t believe nobody’s all over
18:10
that because the old lady needs to go
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and there’s no excuse for it it’s it’s
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almost like they want it to happen
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it’s like when i was talking about
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cryptocurrency with somebody and saying
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you know cryptocurrency should be
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illegal because
18:25
it’s creating so much havoc across the
18:27
world and they say they can’t trace it
18:30
why the hell would you ever make that
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legal i’m sorry screw your freedoms
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screw whatever it’s the same with uh
18:39
face tuning and being able to change mit
18:43
i’m sorry this stuff that you just
18:45
invented we’re keeping it it is a
18:48
government it belongs to the american
18:50
government
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and we are not going to let other
18:53
foreign governments purchase the ability
18:56
to create videos with and and voice
18:59
recognition with our
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with with people that are in power
19:03
because see this is the problem
19:05
everybody’s a freaking sellout they’re a
19:07
sellout
19:08
and then i had to look up today and hear
19:10
about the woes of mr asberger’s elon
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musk
19:13
i got beaten up as a kid get over it we
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all did
19:16
somebody was beating up somebody all the
19:18
time get snap the hell out of it it’s
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like what what what we have become
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and what we’re allowing like i said with
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the democrats i am so through at the
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moment you know i posted something about
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newsome the other day
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and uh about just posting my ballot and
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i got so much hate bots like millions of
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people dming from all over republicans
19:46
trump people mentally ill people
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and i just sat down and went i and then
19:52
i lost access to my account in a very
19:54
bizarre way for about a week
19:56
um close to a week i had to do the whole
19:59
identity
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i tried to block this woman as fast as i
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could
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um but in the middle of it i got a flash
20:08
that i violated a policy and i hadn’t
20:10
violated policies but they they’ve
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maneuvered one and i’m like all i did
20:15
was just post you know on my story and
20:18
my thing knew some you know that i voted
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for him and to vote no on the recall and
20:23
people went bananas it it it was crazy
20:29
and not only that i had no access to any
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of my passwords
20:33
and i was a mess because i was just like
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i can’t believe i even rely on this mess
20:38
first of all the fact that first of all
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that bothered me because i don’t like to
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depend on anybody
20:45
let alone anything meaning
20:48
a freaking app
20:50
and the fact that everything that we do
20:53
as business people or whatever is in
20:56
that
20:57
is a little bit disturbing that the u.s
20:59
government has not figured out how to
21:01
monitor this regulate it and control it
21:04
people are losing their accounts far
21:05
more popular than me and being
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uh
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embezzled uh being uh people have had to
21:12
pay in cryptocurrency to get their stuff
21:14
back and their companies this is wrong
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and it’s outrageous so all these
21:19
distractions with you know we cannot
21:21
afford a war in afghanistan and i’m so
21:24
sorry to the people of that country
21:26
because the reality is
21:28
you know
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as prince said in this life you’re on
21:33
your own it looks like it we’ve done
21:36
going on we we have so many things that
21:38
we have avoided to take care of here and
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we’re only allowing america to be
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basically to be used and to bypass
21:49
certain laws that other countries have
21:51
privacy laws much better than ours they
21:54
have better banking laws much better
21:56
than ours and everybody has learned how
21:59
to filter and launder their money
22:00
through companies here whether they’re
22:02
in wyoming whether they’re in delaware
22:04
this is what this country has become and
22:06
then they run it down through the
22:08
caymans this is really bad this is what
22:11
america is that’s why we all work like
22:13
slaves so we can all go out and purchase
22:16
like little little slaves to get the
22:17
same clothes that everybody’s buying at
22:19
h m and everybody else everybody has the
22:21
same
22:22
as everybody’s shopping in the same
22:24
place
22:25
that’s communism
22:27
that is communism
22:30
we all wear the same things the same
22:31
uniform the same fabrics
22:34
they call it a brand i call it communism
22:38
mom and pops are gone
22:40
this this we are buying from big
22:43
fiduciary big monopolies
22:46
and we think we’re free
22:49
we’re not free when the little guy gets
22:51
crushed
22:53
because of money
22:55
i mean to think that we’re gonna get
22:56
over and they’re all guilty of it
22:58
republicans and democrats by the way
23:00
it’s not it’s they’re all greedy they’re
23:02
like sniffing hunting little dogs
23:05
yeah i mean to think that we’re going to
23:07
get out and first of all and i want to
23:09
say anybody from the dnc watching this
23:12
next time you send me any more mail
23:14
about donating to you i started to think
23:17
half of you all you senators are rich on
23:19
your own use your own damn money for
23:21
your elections screw off i’m not giving
23:23
a dime
23:25
most of them are rich and they’re like
23:26
can you donate to that no i can’t
23:29
use your own money go in your own bank
23:31
account like i do to give you
23:33
pieces of trash money
23:36
my hard-earned money
23:38
i’m done
23:40
i mean to think that we’re going to get
23:41
out of afghanistan and not have to go
23:44
back we have been back and forth with
23:46
afghanistan for
23:48
decades okay for decades oh the arabs
23:52
are our whipping posts well yeah but to
23:54
think that you know they’re fighting us
23:57
with our own weapons
23:59
let’s not forget that back in the 80s
24:01
with our north and all of them
24:06
of the taliban weapons and fight and the
24:09
financial backing yeah and they turned
24:11
around and flipped it on us what do you
24:14
expect you give people something you say
24:16
you’re going to be there and then you
24:17
pull out
24:18
you become enemy number one and that’s
24:21
what that’s why we are where we are now
24:24
and pulling out this time
24:26
we’re not gonna be able to go back and
24:28
have people trust us this is this is
24:31
absolutely
24:32
ridiculous what’s going on now in
24:34
afghanistan
24:35
is the future for america and foreign
24:38
relations
24:40
well there’s no veritas there’s no truth
24:42
in any of this because the reality is
24:45
even though i don’t like these people
24:47
who are following have followed trump
24:49
the thing is he figured out how to wedge
24:51
himself in
24:53
with with our men our vets the reality
24:56
is you need to find out why these
24:58
veterans are so salty and upset they
25:01
have come back from i’m not taking
25:03
anything away from what they witnessed
25:05
what they saw what they had to do to
25:08
survive god knows what was eating their
25:11
souls
25:13
but
25:14
all it took was a con man to come in and
25:16
slide in we have no mental health here
25:18
for these people when they come back
25:20
they barely get any respect and they’re
25:22
living on like the lowest of wages and
25:25
it’s wrong you if you treat someone like
25:28
an animal they’re gonna suddenly become
25:31
like one to you so america needs to
25:34
answer for having these men and women in
25:36
the army for 10 20 years that they lost
25:40
sight and were so delusional by the time
25:43
they left that means that they were out
25:46
there not trusting any orders that were
25:48
being given to them
25:50
doubting whatever they already went
25:51
through that process of having so much
25:53
empathy for what was happening there
25:55
because otherwise they wouldn’t come
25:56
back here as bitter as they are
25:58
yeah
26:00
so
26:01
a quick question and i know probably on
26:04
a later date we’ll get deeper into this
26:06
what should america’s role be in the
26:08
world
26:09
we need to take care of ourselves first
26:11
and foremost we need to stay out of
26:13
other people’s business and mind the
26:15
business of getting this country back
26:17
together because right now this country
26:19
is falling apart democracy is at risk
26:21
people are getting sick and dying
26:24
until we can fix ourselves we can’t
26:27
expect any place else in the world
26:30
to do as we say i’m sorry we just can’t
26:34
we’re so messed up right now that we
26:36
can’t
26:37
we can’t even begin to have a standing
26:39
in the world
26:42
okay well i think i i don’t think you’ll
26:45
need to add anything because you said it
26:46
already i mean yeah i mean and i also
26:48
think that america needs to sit down
26:50
because the reality is that
26:53
they’re the democracy’s already gone
26:55
there’s just the loopholes in place that
26:57
keep it functioning as if
27:01
but democrat democracy is gone when you
27:04
cannot
27:06
implement
27:08
and enforce
27:09
the laws that uphold democracy
27:12
we have not put anybody in jail
27:15
for the horrible crimes that they’ve
27:16
committed
27:17
and it seems like that just doesn’t
27:19
exist
27:20
we have politicians that need to be
27:22
going to jail
27:24
we have a whole load of them a paddy
27:27
wagon needs to be filled and they just
27:29
need to drive up to congress and load
27:31
them all up
27:33
it’s that critical and and i do believe
27:36
that there is no democracy anymore
27:38
everybody is on their own
27:40
and that laws are not being enforced we
27:42
have rogue police
27:45
what more can we say where’s the
27:46
democracy courts are only trying uh
27:50
people who are poor broke
27:52
uh you know political enemies
27:55
that’s it but they’re not going after
27:57
the elite the rich
27:58
at all
28:00
we have medical
28:06
everybody’s like fight for democracy
28:08
honey democracy is gone yeah okay and
28:10
that’s what happens with people who are
28:12
drug addicts it’s like sobriety is gone
28:15
even though they even though they need
28:17
help to get back to where they need to
28:19
be
28:20
but it’s it’s it’s gone and that the
28:23
addiction that we have now is war we
28:26
have an addiction of hate we have these
28:28
all these things that we can’t
28:31
get rid of
28:33
i don’t know if they’ll be able to even
28:35
go back to war the way they think
28:38
these kids and these young people coming
28:39
up i don’t know if they have but i don’t
28:42
think they’d have the manpower and i
28:44
don’t think
28:45
that
28:46
they’re at a point where they would even
28:48
go
28:49
yeah i don’t think that they would
28:50
either and that’s
28:52
a war they were born because
28:54
anybody who feels patriotic
28:57
it’s like it’s kind of foe isn’t it it’s
29:00
like it’s all these people who are in
29:02
the system the politicians have
29:05
destroyed the country and for a very
29:07
long time i don’t think there’s been
29:09
sound democracy here the otherwise if it
29:12
were it would have never been able to
29:15
have been torn asunder we have actual
29:18
traitors in this country
29:20
and it all
29:21
they’re in corporate america they’re
29:23
everywhere so their allegiance is not to
29:25
hear
29:26
so it’s not fair for them to blame it on
29:28
just a bunch of people who started
29:30
following donald trump there were a lot
29:32
of people rich people involved in this
29:35
thing
29:36
by giving him money the koch brothers
29:38
that family there’s a lot of people that
29:41
need their feet held to the fire
29:44
because to just say it’s a bunch of
29:46
crazy trump people i’m beyond that this
29:49
goes into some very very specific
29:51
planning that went a long way
29:54
and started during the tea party and it
29:57
was a long game that they played and
29:59
they’ve had help
30:00
not just nationally but internationally
30:03
yeah and they they should all be charged
30:06
we killed the rosenbergs for less
30:10
all right let’s move on uh let’s go over
30:13
to some more comments
30:16
uh
30:17
we’ve got black beauty and let’s not
30:19
forget we’re here for the poppy right of
30:21
cartels we also have here
30:24
and all of our greed written contractors
30:26
refusing to leave and cry off that we’ve
30:29
abandoned them leave them they’ll get
30:31
back trust me spot on ladies
30:34
jen is saying uh black beauty says the
30:37
senate is clearly not going to pass the
30:39
john lewis voting rights back thus will
30:41
not have a throw stone at democracy
30:44
and the inspired thought someone knew
30:46
yes speak the truth this started well
30:48
before 45. exactly great comments
30:51
everyone and we really like new people
30:53
coming on board appreciate it
30:55
appreciate it big time well uh there’s
30:58
gonna be a running theme throughout the
31:00
rest of the conversation anniversaries
31:02
some and most of them not too good so
31:05
let’s first off go
31:09
yesterday was the 50th anniversary of
31:11
the march on washington
31:15
how much
31:16
has america changed civil rights wise in
31:19
the last 58 years a march on washington
31:21
who those are not familiar was a famous
31:24
march martin luther king gave his i have
31:27
a dream speech
31:28
58 years ago how much has changed
31:31
nothing they exploit martin luther king
31:34
and the fact that we are still fighting
31:37
for voting rights the 1963 march on
31:40
washington let’s not forget was about
31:42
voting rights because the um
31:45
civil rights bill came the year after in
31:47
the voting rights bill from the year
31:48
after that 65.
31:50
um
31:51
the the main thing was they were getting
31:53
people to register to vote during that
31:55
uh march and voting right was was a
31:59
major theme and here we are 2021
32:03
still trying to pass a voting rights
32:06
bill to basically restore
32:09
what the 65 legislation had done which
32:12
which prevented states particularly the
32:15
southern states from
32:16
um enacting these voter registration um
32:20
these voter id
32:22
laws and the these restrictions and
32:25
these oppressions
32:26
um and here we are right now you know
32:30
back to where we were 58 years ago so
32:34
it’s like um
32:36
you know and the fact that yesterday
32:38
they actually had a march to um demand
32:41
to to deal with the voting rights act
32:44
it’s 58 years later we’re still doing
32:46
this and and it’s it’s
32:49
completely insane to me that we have to
32:51
go we have to continuously go back
32:54
to fix things that were supposedly fixed
32:58
in the past because we have certain
33:00
people in our country that don’t want
33:02
progress to happen
33:05
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33:06
anything you want to add jill well i i
33:08
mean i’m kind of um
33:11
i i think that if somebody keeps
33:12
treating you like dirt you’ve got to
33:14
like pay attention i mean
33:16
personally uh
33:18
you know it’s like
33:20
it’s like america belongs to some other
33:22
people and you’re the mistress
33:25
you know it’s like they’re married to
33:26
some other they’re married to somebody
33:28
else
33:29
and you’re just sitting there in the
33:30
wings you’re the side chick the side
33:32
piece not even a chick side piece
33:35
and
33:36
you know the one thing i did realize so
33:40
brutally and it sounds so stupid with
33:42
the instagram thing was that
33:45
how exploited we are and now we
33:47
willingly allow ourselves to be
33:49
exploited and then tossed away like
33:52
garbage
33:53
um the fact that this has been going on
33:56
you know shows how little solidarity has
33:59
been in the community
34:01
the fact that we can’t seem to wrangle
34:05
uh you know
34:06
a pot to even pee in anymore is is so
34:10
incredibly you know they’ve been
34:12
succeeding there’s how many men black
34:14
men are in jail here
34:16
so there’s so many
34:18
prisons are the modern day plantation
34:20
they are and and i think that the
34:23
reality should just people should just
34:25
wake up
34:27
and just say
34:28
they don’t want us here
34:31
and
34:32
they’re vowing to make sure we never
34:35
have our voting rights never on paper
34:38
you know when i was born
34:40
um
34:42
they wrote illegitimate on my
34:44
on my birth
34:46
certificate yeah and they wouldn’t put
34:49
my father’s name on what weren’t married
34:51
mm-hmm
34:52
illegitimate illegitimate is what it
34:55
said
34:56
so a lot of people like i remember when
34:58
they were freaking out about barack
34:59
obama’s uh
35:01
his uh
35:02
baby uh certificate things were very
35:04
different in those times what they
35:06
wanted to put
35:08
and they would i mean
35:10
he was you know thank god he was in
35:11
another state where they allowed african
35:13
but i actually do believe that african
35:16
was going to be better than you know
35:18
just
35:18
i don’t know my parents birth
35:20
certificates were not like that like my
35:21
mother was born in 51 her she was born
35:24
in south carolina hers is colored
35:26
and my father was born in connecticut
35:29
fifties yeah ohio
35:32
yeah ohio had negro yeah and mine um
35:35
mine is black actually yeah and then
35:37
they mixed me up at the hospital which
35:39
was really weird they gave me to some
35:41
white woman
35:42
um
35:43
yeah
35:44
that was really strange
35:46
i know minnie was not having that she
35:48
was not but so my whole point is that
35:51
all this has been going on and
35:53
um yeah we have successful black
35:56
african-american people in this country
35:58
and they’re doing well
36:00
and um the only thing is that they’ve
36:02
left people behind and i don’t know if
36:04
it’s really hit them with people like
36:06
julian bond having gone away passed away
36:09
people like
36:11
jesse johnson say prayers with jesse
36:14
um and jesse johnson not jesse jones and
36:17
jesse jackson and his wife was sending
36:19
prayers to them i know that his wife
36:21
jacqueline is not doing very well
36:23
or not that she’s not doing very well
36:26
she just needed extra oxygen so i’m
36:28
praying for her
36:29
um she wasn’t vaccinated if that’s true
36:32
i don’t know but um
36:34
so my whole point is we’re in a really
36:37
bad situation and black people need to
36:39
figure it out because there really
36:40
aren’t still enough that get out and go
36:42
and vote well if you’re raising your
36:45
philadelphia story that i can tell you
36:46
that um
36:48
honestly turned me off of him
36:51
it was 2 000
36:52
um
36:54
2006
36:58
yeah 2006
37:00
and he was at the university of south
37:01
carolina
37:03
and i went to go see him because it’s
37:04
part of my job
37:06
and julian bond somebody asked him is he
37:08
ready was he ready to pass on the torch
37:10
he said the next generations will have
37:12
to pry it out of his cold dead hands
37:16
and for me that was like
37:18
whoa
37:19
it’s like dude but i don’t think he was
37:21
wrong your generation hasn’t done
37:23
anything
37:24
no they have that
37:25
but he but this was these were and i i
37:27
mean
37:28
guys the old guys did play they had to
37:31
play a lot of in a time where they
37:33
really did have to play
37:35
along with white men at dinners and all
37:38
this now you have people willingly like
37:39
jay-z and everybody they go to dinner
37:41
with the white man and they’re looking
37:43
to get whatever they can from the
37:44
relationship they actually you know
37:47
although i’m not condemning
37:49
jay-z and his wife
37:51
but what because they do a lot for the
37:53
black community but what i am
37:56
pushing more for
37:57
is
37:59
i wish they would push it more to show
38:02
people how to do it more that it’s it’s
38:05
not just top down it’s bottom up and
38:08
other people need to know how to
38:11
how to do that and foster it in
38:13
communities we have to figure out how to
38:15
solidify
38:16
those
38:17
places for people
38:19
you know but people do what they can i’m
38:22
not going to judge them it’s i’m not
38:24
trying to but i would say that as far as
38:26
politicians that we have we have hakeem
38:28
jeffries who’s doing his best but they
38:31
they they have to uh learn how to get
38:34
some cojones against these white folks
38:37
that they’ve been taught to be nice to
38:39
because they thought everybody was being
38:40
nice to them but hey none of these
38:42
people have gotten us
38:44
our voting rights passed
38:46
and they’re old they’ve been there
38:47
forever so as far as i could exactly
38:50
they they allowed the
38:53
um
38:54
rollbacks to the 65 voting rights
38:56
legislation to happen i mean they didn’t
38:59
have to have a quorum
39:01
i mean they didn’t have to remember
39:02
that’s the only way you know they’ll
39:04
never vote for term limits no but i do
39:06
and that’s what we need that’s what we
39:09
need
39:10
although the muscle and the hustlers
39:12
will for sure still so
39:16
i’m just gonna um
39:18
go to some comments
39:20
green eyed saying the world is lost the
39:23
kids that they think war is a game they
39:24
think hate is cool and they aren’t
39:26
taught social skills
39:28
also says kids don’t go into stem we are
39:30
losing scientists left and right our
39:33
american kids are too dumb america black
39:36
beauty yes and we’re right back where we
39:37
started and as you see
39:39
it barely made the news talking about
39:41
the protests of yesterday about
39:42
celebrating them
39:44
um
39:45
also green eyed it’s depressing that we
39:47
are going backwards
39:48
blue reigns it’s really sad and
39:50
frustrating to be still fighting for
39:52
voting rights it’s demoralizing it’s
39:54
it’s absolutely uh
39:57
i can’t even
39:59
it’s demoralizing
40:01
and expected to get worse because after
40:03
the census came out and said that the
40:05
majority of people that they were
40:07
counting that the number of white people
40:09
has gone down and the number of people
40:11
of color has gone up
40:13
expect voting rights to be
40:16
the thing that they work at the hardest
40:20
to deny us
40:22
of course that that’s a that’s me we’ve
40:24
been saying on this platform for months
40:28
the central focus for the next few years
40:30
in america is voting
40:32
personally i would love to see kamala
40:34
harris dealing with busting up the whole
40:37
redlining of banks because i don’t we
40:40
need
40:40
that’s where we need
40:42
the bus stop that’s where we need the
40:44
war actually yeah and elizabeth warren
40:47
for once can somebody please give
40:49
elizabeth warren something some fruit
40:51
some her and katie whatever her name is
40:54
the other one
40:55
destroy them
40:56
but you know they won’t because
40:58
everybody’s too vested the problem why
41:01
america can’t be a country is because
41:03
people put their own interests ahead of
41:06
everybody else okay that is true but i
41:08
would say another thing i’m gonna say
41:10
two things first of all and i think i’ve
41:12
said it before especially the democratic
41:14
party
41:15
rightly or wrongly they’re trying to
41:17
please everybody
41:27
but at the same token if you’re going to
41:29
be a big tent party you also have to
41:32
really have a backbone to support the
41:34
people that are under the tent and they
41:37
don’t
41:38
that’s the that’s the biggest problem is
41:40
that they want to be this big ten party
41:42
but they’re not supporting they’re not
41:44
taking the steps needed
41:47
to support the people that are under the
41:49
tent because they’re so afraid that they
41:51
will lose the next election well you
41:53
know what gamble on the next election
41:56
because that’s the only way you’re going
41:58
to really solidify
42:00
this increase in the senate this
42:02
increase in the house is if you actually
42:05
do something because people are getting
42:07
tired of you telling them oh well vote
42:09
will vote vote vote vote vote and it’ll
42:11
be better well no it’s not getting
42:13
better because you’re not doing your
42:14
damn jobs and here and that’s such a
42:17
great point because
42:19
what we really need
42:21
is you know
42:23
yes we know joe biden said i’m here for
42:25
everybody
42:27
well the whole point is
42:29
it’s called conversion joe you need to
42:32
make people feel safe under that big
42:34
tent
42:35
so they convert so we don’t go down this
42:37
road again
42:39
you create security
42:41
but what’s happening is they keep asking
42:44
democrats
42:46
to
42:47
look for security in a very insecure
42:51
space
42:52
it’s just never it never manifests where
42:56
we get ours and it’s wrong we we got it
43:00
partially with president obama but then
43:03
those republicans lined up in like you
43:06
know a single file and
43:08
hit back hard and made his life
43:09
incredibly difficult but now i see why
43:13
he actually caved because look who was
43:15
behind him
43:17
they’re not that strong
43:18
the democrats then were even weaker than
43:21
the ones that you know right now at
43:23
least we’ve got the aoc’s and we’ve got
43:25
the squad girls who i know can you know
43:27
get scrappy but
43:29
but
43:30
they have to also learn that it’s not
43:33
just scrappy it’s strategic because
43:36
everybody is involved
43:38
some way with their stock market with
43:41
their donors because remember big
43:43
corporations donate to both they donate
43:46
to the republicans and they’ll donate to
43:48
their dems always always somebody may
43:50
get a few thousand dollars more whatever
43:52
but they all play the cards all of them
43:54
google will give the same amount to each
43:56
one
43:57
no one’s like
43:58
they just want their money and that’s
44:00
the problem
44:02
well
44:03
i’ll say one thing and there’s nothing
44:05
i’m thinking about singing i don’t know
44:06
if i’m going to save at least one thing
44:09
blacks around the world need to learn
44:12
how to play chess not checkers
44:14
absolutely absolutely
44:16
absolutely
44:17
and the other thing i’m going to say
44:20
rightly or wrong i’m going to put it out
44:22
there many blacks suffer from one
44:25
of these three things or probably two of
44:27
them are all of them
44:29
trauma
44:31
repetition
44:34
and
44:34
symbolism yeah
44:37
yeah i see that
44:39
so that’s a whole other conversation but
44:42
i mean if you meet an american who is a
44:44
black atheist it’s kind of mind-boggling
44:47
i mean it not mind-boggling it blows my
44:49
mind i’m like oh wow what a progressive
44:51
what you know do you know what a leap
44:54
that’s a big deal
44:56
there aren’t enough black atheists in
44:58
this country as far as i’m concerned
45:00
they would never think of it they’re
45:02
stuck in like
45:03
tradition or whatever that’s about
45:05
there’s people who didn’t even fill out
45:06
the freaking census form because they
45:08
got superstitions or you know and the
45:11
reality is
45:14
people have at some point you have to
45:16
realize i mean i’ve looked at my life i
45:19
used to not have seashells in the house
45:21
i used to not do this because of this or
45:23
because of that and i was superstitious
45:25
and there comes a point in your life
45:26
where you have to take a really good
45:28
look at it and go
45:29
i am where i am
45:31
not because of a seashell
45:33
not because of you know
45:35
you know walking around and burying
45:37
something in the dirt at night with
45:39
three circles around it or uh going to
45:42
church and mass every day i am where i
45:44
am because of my own
45:47
decisions decisions that you made
45:50
and the people you associated with and
45:52
when you take accountability like that
45:54
then you become a better asset for a god
45:57
for a a
46:01
i gotta say i was the
46:03
i was fortunate enough to be raised in
46:05
the nation of islam until i was about 11
46:08
or 12. and then my parents were like
46:10
make your own decision on your faith
46:13
and just left it wide open to the point
46:16
that i could see
46:18
you know that
46:20
my decisions were my own
46:22
right and that every step it’s like i
46:24
talked to my daughter about this
46:25
yesterday and i said you know um
46:29
you know yeah i could have dated this
46:31
person in that person it could have gone
46:32
on for whatever i said but had i not
46:35
made the decisions that i made you would
46:37
not be here
46:38
absolutely take it
46:40
speak
46:48
led me to
46:50
her being born right i think after that
46:53
comment we can move on to the next
46:54
conversation piece that’s like drop the
46:57
mic
46:59
drop the mic
47:01
another comment here
47:03
uh exactly joe recreate the black wall
47:05
street well you know something
47:07
again i won’t get to black wall street
47:09
exists but the media doesn’t cover it
47:11
there’s a lot of blocks that are doing
47:13
very well you have some shows about it
47:16
yes
47:17
yes there’s a lot of black but again
47:20
we have so many things we’re going to
47:21
chat about down the road but
47:23
we have to realize that most organized
47:26
groups especially the media has an
47:28
agenda exactly
47:30
sorry and i’ve worked in the media for a
47:32
long time and
47:34
i mean i’ve covered things that i’ve
47:36
been like when you wrote when you
47:38
dr vibe the first article that got you
47:41
to have yes
47:42
yes yes um i wrote it for the huffington
47:44
post and i was surprised it was taught
47:47
it was called why america needs to
47:50
listen to black women and i was
47:52
surprised that nobody was covering
47:55
anything like that
47:57
that no because because the end result
47:59
of that article the last piece the last
48:02
sentence was because
48:04
um when america doesn’t listen to black
48:06
women donald trump is what happens when
48:08
you don’t
48:10
right but we also have we haven’t fixed
48:12
that but let’s be honest we also have a
48:14
serious aegis for ageism problem in this
48:17
country
48:18
and you know i can tell you i was
48:20
sending out resumes right because
48:22
i’d like to work
48:24
do some writing again producing
48:27
and you know they can read that how old
48:30
i am it’s so clear
48:32
they can look me up
48:35
not one response not one okay okay
48:39
we got a good okay we have someone that
48:41
has a a
48:43
jail i disagree unfortunately too many
48:45
of our people are oppressed not because
48:47
of our belief in god but because of lack
48:49
of knowledge of how the political system
48:51
is structured in america but a lot of
48:53
that has to do with faith because you
48:54
have to remember
48:56
um
48:57
the reason they were able to keep slaves
48:59
enslaved was to use the bible and use
49:02
king king james was illiterate okay yeah
49:05
and that they used the king james
49:06
version of the bible to say you know
49:08
this whole miksha ha inherit the earth
49:11
and that um being enslaved was being
49:14
next to god these were things that were
49:17
used against our people in order to keep
49:21
us in a position of servitude so
49:24
even though
49:26
um
49:27
it would be nice to believe that um
49:30
religion has always been used to the
49:32
detriment of black people in this
49:34
country always
49:38
okay
49:39
well
49:40
folks as you see we’re having another
49:41
quiet show and let’s go to this comment
49:44
first of all we need to stop calling it
49:46
black wall street we need our own name
49:49
for the name
49:50
for the same type of community well that
49:53
well i will say this that name was given
49:55
to black wall street by black people so
49:58
i don’t really see the need in changing
50:00
the name if it was given to if it was
50:02
given by white people sure but it was
50:05
given by black people because black
50:06
people are calling themselves black when
50:08
white people are still calling them
50:10
color
50:11
all right let’s move on
50:13
the recent 16th anniversary of katrina
50:15
and i think we can also piggyback at
50:17
what’s going on on the gulf coast right
50:19
now with another storm hurricane ida
50:22
like hitting 16 years to the day
50:27
that’s crazy
50:29
i mean katrina was incredibly disruptive
50:32
i remember
50:33
um
50:34
my daughter was still a
50:37
very little toddler
50:38
and watching all the destruction on
50:41
television and
50:43
just thinking
50:44
and for me it was really a shock because
50:48
um
50:48
the day i had looked at uh
50:51
some of the reports there was actually
50:53
someone named aisha who was just
50:55
floating in the water
50:57
which really creeped me out and because
50:59
years ago i wanted to live in new
51:01
orleans
51:02
oh wow late 90s like and it just really
51:05
freaked me out um
51:08
but
51:09
you know
51:11
new orleans is it it feels like it’s
51:13
just getting back on track right and um
51:18
well for for for let me say this it’s
51:21
not for the poor people who are it’s
51:23
getting back up
51:24
okay yeah
51:26
it’s getting it’s getting back on track
51:28
for the people
51:29
like uh your emerald lagacies and
51:32
you know those kinds of people who have
51:34
businesses there and they got their ppp
51:36
loans this go around and to be built and
51:39
stuff but you know
51:41
for if we can recall back 16 years ago
51:45
during
51:46
katrina that was
51:49
so detrimental to black people
51:52
in new orleans if you recall um the
51:55
people at the superdome
51:57
wow all the rapes just can i just
52:00
interrupt here just got an update from
52:01
one of our community i just read the
52:03
entire city of new orleans has lost
52:05
power wow wow oh wow katrina
52:09
all over again because you know they
52:10
didn’t fix anything with the money that
52:12
they got did not fix the levees no they
52:15
did not no oh my goodness and so that
52:18
city oh
52:19
man i i feel like i feel like water
52:21
again like do people in new orleans feel
52:24
like they’re like haiti
52:26
they must
52:28
like it just they seem to parallel each
52:30
other with just catastrophe like
52:33
obviously new orleans is a little bit
52:34
further spread apart but this happening
52:36
again like 16 let’s not say that too
52:38
often because then they’ll start saying
52:40
it’s you know we were cursed in the
52:41
bible
52:42
uh we’re the where that group in the
52:44
bible the ones who raped uh moses or
52:48
noah or one of them
52:49
you know the son don’t please because
52:51
that’s already one
52:53
horrible trope that goes around that
52:55
that’s why black people are cursed it’s
52:58
it’s disgusting we have some very
52:59
unintelligent people who rely on
53:02
some really bad uh
53:04
information
53:05
the the thing that people should be
53:07
paying attention to is that
53:09
there’s repetition here and when
53:11
something repeats itself like this it’s
53:14
it there’s a need for people to stand up
53:16
for true accountability like what the
53:17
hell have you all been doing
53:19
uh why do you why didn’t you fix the
53:21
levees why are these people still in
53:23
these dastardly positions and how
53:26
they’re living new orleans
53:28
covid has ravaged them um
53:32
because also superstition and also
53:34
poverty and
53:36
and unfortunately you know
53:39
can i just say something every place
53:41
cannot be a freaking hgtv design show
53:44
people
53:46
everything cannot be a renovation
53:49
everything cannot be this bloody
53:52
it’s everybody
53:53
touting up numbers and and everything is
53:57
you know i’ve got an airbn i’ve got a
53:59
house i’m going to put it on airbnb it’s
54:01
got to stop we are seeing people in the
54:04
forms of their greatest hustle and
54:07
people don’t even realize we are living
54:09
in a charles dickens movie
54:12
and cannot handle the fact of why
54:14
there’s homeless it’s not just because
54:17
of some of the governors it’s the people
54:20
of america too
54:22
the people here have no morals they
54:24
don’t care about anybody for the most
54:27
part the ones who have the money
54:29
it’s
54:30
survival of the fittest and some are
54:32
very happy with that
54:35
this is horrible that these people are
54:36
going through this katrina again and
54:39
it’s gonna hit the poor people
54:42
and
54:43
you know let’s just hope that uh
54:46
i don’t know what to say we are dealing
54:48
with climate change it’s just gonna
54:49
become worse and worse and then there’ll
54:51
be a group that goes down and
54:53
you know we’ll do the donations and
54:55
we’ll do it all over again and what did
54:57
einstein say
54:59
about repetition if you keep having to
55:00
repeat something over and over again i
55:03
mean this is a problem
55:05
this is really bad
55:06
the definition of
55:08
doing the same thing over and over again
55:10
and getting different results again
55:11
getting back to what i said about trauma
55:15
repetition
55:16
symbolism
55:18
okay we are going to take a break
55:22
here but yeah that that whole situation
55:25
in new orleans is
55:28
oh boy that’s a whole other conversation
55:30
so
55:31
let’s go on a break and uh when we come
55:34
back we’ll
55:35
look at some other other anniversaries
55:38
so
55:39
keep it locked
55:41
we’ll be back in a bit go so ladies what
55:43
is going on
55:45
just that he needs to get it together
55:47
sick of that i am sick of it something
55:50
is seriously wrong with you is that i
55:52
mean why is he still there
55:55
shouldn’t she shouldn’t be near congress
55:57
you need an exorcism because i don’t
56:00
know
56:01
what
56:02
is wrong with you people it was so
56:05
powerful and i really wish everybody
56:07
would stop bowing down to this
56:10
what is he talking about
56:12
this makes no sense they know they are
56:14
not the oppressed party but they love
56:17
being the superior ones and they want to
56:19
flaunt it so it was always made
56:21
political particularly for people of
56:23
color
56:25
and the lgbtq
56:27
population we end off every episode with
56:30
the cockroach this afro episode’s
56:33
cockroach
56:34
ah
56:36
everything
56:36
[Music]
56:43
what is up everybody it’s dr vibe here
56:46
and it is
56:47
black canada talking time black canada
56:49
talking is a live online event that
56:52
provides black canadians the opportunity
56:53
to give their takes on stories povs that
56:56
are of importance of to them or we
56:58
showcase blockchains or doing their
57:00
thing the real
57:01
aspect of what goes on behind the walls
57:04
or behind the fence is a totally
57:05
different persona and a totally
57:07
different picture there was just a big
57:09
sense of relief when we finally got
57:11
there
57:12
we have to realize that everything we do
57:14
is going to have an impact on probably a
57:16
lot of people we don’t even know
57:19
one of the mandates of the cbc is to
57:22
reflect canada back to itself not a lot
57:25
of sustainable long-term movement that
57:27
will affect economic change god bless
57:30
peace well keep the faith and walk good
57:32
[Music]
57:36
we are back the ladies are back took a
57:40
little bit of extended break but we’ve
57:42
got it going on and just want to catch
57:44
up on some of the comp there’s some
57:45
earlier comments that we missed
57:48
green eyed is saying biden needs to help
57:50
the landlord since the evictions are
57:51
starting again during the pandemic
57:54
uh
57:56
also oh that you’ve got jen’s up already
57:59
we have here
58:00
black people are calling themselves the
58:02
n-word too so does so does that make it
58:05
right when we know history will be more
58:06
inclined to stand on what we are built
58:09
not what we’ve built not what others
58:12
have
58:13
t stephen’s jill is right on point
58:16
black musing prayers for the people of
58:18
louise louisiana absolutely big time
58:20
prayers for the people in louisiana
58:22
so let’s keep on to our anniversary
58:25
theme and the recent anniversary of the
58:28
death of aaliyah
58:30
aisha yeah you know the the day that
58:33
olia died i was in the car with my
58:36
mother and my youngest sister
58:39
um my other sister was in dc at the time
58:41
and um it came across the radio and it
58:45
was one of those things because
58:47
um
58:49
she was you know i remember seeing her
58:51
at howard’s homecoming in 95.
58:54
and um it was just really
58:57
a shock and actually that night i was
58:59
supposed to go see tina marie in concert
59:03
here at a park in hartford and tina
59:06
marie did a dedication to her
59:08
and she brought her daughter on stage to
59:10
sing with her um
59:13
it was um
59:14
it really impacted me a lot because my
59:18
biggest fear
59:19
is plane crashes i’m i hate to fly
59:23
and plane crashes really terrify me to
59:26
death
59:28
and that um
59:30
was something that really impacted me
59:31
but this week
59:33
um our kelly’s on trial
59:35
yes he is he is and so the thing that
59:38
came out was that um his marriage to
59:42
alia was a way that he
59:45
tried to conceal
59:47
or get away with
59:49
having sex with a minor
59:52
that that was the purpose behind the
59:55
marriage that he thought that if they
59:57
were married it wouldn’t be considered
60:00
illegal or child molestation
60:03
and so that was something that came out
60:05
this week in trial
60:07
um
60:09
this week also her um
60:12
former record label
60:14
uh put her music some of her music back
60:16
on streaming
60:18
yes the one
60:19
album yeah but but that’s caused some
60:21
contention too because i think it’s her
60:24
yes it’s her uncle has been given
60:25
permission to do that but the estate is
60:28
not happy with that yeah her family’s
60:30
not happy with that and i get it but i
60:32
don’t get it because all these years her
60:35
music has been unavailable the only
60:37
thing that’s been available is the album
60:39
that she did with r
60:40
kelly the first album and so um they’re
60:44
releasing her other album
60:47
slowly so
60:48
um one in a million came out last week
60:50
and then i believe this week the
60:52
um
60:53
economist album comes out which was her
60:56
last album
60:57
um
60:59
and and you know there was there was
61:00
just it was just a really strange time
61:04
because even the producer uh the
61:06
co-producer of that album with
61:07
timberland static major uh died shortly
61:11
after she did
61:14
it was just a really weird time and i
61:16
remember i remember that because
61:18
you know
61:20
my late you know
61:22
late teens early twenties
61:24
grew up with elia
61:28
any thoughts on aaliyah that you have
61:30
jill
61:32
um
61:36
wow
61:37
oh did you just do that as a
61:39
ventriloquist
61:41
or was your did the film slow down
61:44
right
61:47
spooky
61:48
[Music]
61:49
that was really weird um yeah i mean it
61:52
was a great loss uh what can you say
61:55
it’s uh
61:57
it’s that urgency in the business you
61:59
know people don’t take precautions uh
62:03
too many people on a tiny plane luggage
62:07
overloading um
62:09
that’s uh
62:12
i mean
62:13
that that’s to be expected i mean in in
62:15
the industry but i think uh
62:18
the fact is that the plane was
62:20
overloaded yeah and they do i know when
62:23
i flew into saint bart uh
62:26
they met they weigh everybody and i was
62:28
like seven months pregnant and you know
62:30
you can’t get in on a big jet like you
62:32
take it down to like st martin and then
62:34
you have to fly in over in a little tiny
62:37
plane
62:38
but they’re totally also even
62:40
positioning you in the seats like you
62:43
know here here here
62:45
so sometimes the
62:47
worst part of this industry is
62:50
being really smart
62:52
and it’s hard because you hope people
62:53
are looking out for you but somebody
62:55
needed to not go home
62:57
or bags needed to be sent later
63:00
um and it’s kind of what we saw with
63:03
kobe it’s that rush
63:05
and to get to the next venue the next
63:08
place
63:09
whoever is paying for it they don’t you
63:12
know see that it’s all that
63:14
yeah and it was a very sad accident
63:16
unfortunately
63:19
it impacted me a lot because in terms of
63:22
how i fly
63:23
because you know to fly into new haven
63:24
connecticut you always have to get on a
63:27
small plane
63:29
and there have been times where i’ve
63:31
seen like a 500 pound person
63:34
on one side of the plane i’m looking at
63:35
i’m on the other side i’m like i’m
63:37
getting off this plane now but that
63:39
comes back down to science and that
63:41
comes back down to physics
63:43
and how they’ve got computers now that
63:45
figured that out but by the same token i
63:48
don’t think you were in as small a plane
63:50
as she was in it didn’t even have a
63:52
bathroom on that plane yeah
63:54
really my smallest plane was like a 20
63:56
theater yeah i mean this was this was a
63:59
little lear and in those days and even
64:02
before i took a lear before with prince
64:06
um they’re small
64:08
they’re really really bloody small
64:10
and they’re pretty efficient i guess but
64:13
as in any of those planes that the
64:15
bigger jets i mean i hate flying too
64:17
don’t get me wrong
64:18
and it really freaks me out but uh
64:21
you know just make sure you
64:24
you know yeah it’s it’s interesting
64:26
because i i i can somewhat really i i
64:29
don’t really mind flying too much but i
64:30
will say that the time that i had to go
64:33
to yellowknife in the northwest
64:34
territories
64:36
and it was at night and it was a smaller
64:38
plane and it’s
64:40
it’s that’s probably the smallest plane
64:42
i’ve ever been in and i’m going okay
64:44
it’s totally dark
64:46
awful
64:48
and if this plane goes down right
64:51
i’m not too far from the arctic circle
64:54
who gonna find me if this thing goes
64:57
down right i’m just going okay
65:01
by the grace of god there go i got but
65:03
that was just and just really
65:06
really interesting like i mean all of
65:08
those people lost their lives because
65:10
someone didn’t want to make a decision
65:13
i’m pretty sure
65:15
that there was an uh some issue about
65:18
it’s too heavy
65:19
because i just don’t believe that
65:22
you know
65:23
i mean really but it comes back down to
65:26
this whole thing and then a pilot
65:27
overestimating that he can do it because
65:29
they always want to please
65:32
the celebrities i mean and
65:34
to be a celebrity do you know how
65:36
narcissistic you have to be
65:39
uh
65:40
first of all
65:41
just so you know christie said northwest
65:43
territory she chunkles christie no
65:45
offense there i love the place i want to
65:47
go back there because i am so in love
65:50
with the people there like
65:53
my heart he’s flying in the dark in the
65:55
northwest anywhere it’s all radar it’s
65:58
amazing
65:59
yeah yeah but it is you feel everything
66:01
on your way
66:02
yeah i wasn’t that much older than her
66:04
which like really just like brought my
66:07
whole
66:09
you know well you sound like you were a
66:11
big fan
66:13
well you know what it was it was it was
66:16
i remember i had very fond memories of
66:18
the one in a million album because when
66:20
i was at graduate school it was the big
66:22
thing at hbcu
66:24
okay yeah she was huge yeah and getting
66:27
to see her at hbcu
66:29
but just someone my age being
66:33
struck you know
66:35
a plane crash like that um plane crashes
66:38
continue continuously have these impacts
66:41
on me like when jfk
66:43
um yeah that was awful i was about to
66:46
fly right before that when i leave
66:49
i was about to fly right after that and
66:52
then um
66:54
about uh
66:56
seven years ago i had a friend who a
66:58
small plane crashed into her house
67:01
oh
67:02
and killed her children oh and so
67:05
these things
67:06
it’s like these things keep
67:08
coming up yeah coming up
67:11
yeah playing crash with me like even
67:13
reading when i was younger about otis
67:15
redding dying yes
67:17
yes
67:18
and patsy fine and they keep
67:21
just
67:22
sticking you gotta stop you gotta stop
67:24
manifesting and you gotta stop putting
67:26
that in your brain yeah because you’re
67:28
making more of something that is
67:29
actually
67:31
you know for the most part
67:33
we’re pretty fortunate with air travel
67:35
like that you know what they do
67:39
like the plane um
67:41
my first flight ever i was 19 years old
67:44
and my best friend and i were on the
67:46
plane and the plane lost
67:48
air pressure and all the masks and
67:50
everything came off oh my god
67:53
ever since then it’s been really like
67:56
just
67:57
okay let’s move on that’s too hot from
68:00
this topic
68:01
let’s go christy white says i’d be
68:03
scared for sure i hate flying yes
68:05
timelines and money definitely over
68:07
safety in her case
68:09
all right well what i wasn’t going to
68:12
bring this one up but i think it does
68:13
deserve america’s if we’re
68:15
talking about aliyah and her death
68:17
today is the birthday of some gentleman
68:19
named michael jackson
68:21
[Music]
68:22
wow my daughter is in awe
68:25
my daughter loves my daughter loves
68:27
michael jackson i showed her the motown
68:29
25 video where she was like
68:31
five and ever since then she’s been like
68:35
michael jackson everything
68:38
i i have to admit
68:40
fan
68:41
but
68:42
i’m sorry i’m more of a prince fan
68:44
well
68:45
that’s the thing about my apartment that
68:47
you can’t see it’s like from where i am
68:48
you can see all the print stuff on the
68:50
other side is all the michael jackson
68:55
and and for people the only the big
68:58
deciding factor and michael was a great
69:01
performer
69:02
but to me
69:04
he didn’t write the majority of his
69:06
music
69:07
no a lot of his music was
69:10
again and we talked about it last week
69:12
in our um
69:13
in our ask us anything i don’t know if i
69:15
said but i would love to sit down with
69:17
jones
69:18
when he’s ready to talk the truth
69:19
because
69:21
people don’t want people what would
69:24
michael jackson be without quincy jones
69:28
yeah respect for sure respectfully now
69:30
i’m not i’m not i i’m not a desperate
69:32
but
69:33
look man you look at those albums quincy
69:36
was everywhere and michael great
69:38
performer
69:41
is that michael jackson decided to work
69:43
with quincy jones because of his
69:45
involvement in the wiz in 1970 yes
69:48
and that the music that he did there
69:51
is what got michael jackson to wanting
69:53
to work with him in 1979 for off the
69:55
wall
69:57
right and folks if
69:59
these two ladies know their music so if
70:01
you go go hard on them
70:03
good luck
70:05
your wood is wet good luck like
70:08
they they know they’re
70:09
but michael phenomenal um
70:12
he was i i would have to say that what i
70:15
give him credit for
70:17
is
70:20
he
70:21
may have not known how to write the
70:23
music which we know he didn’t write
70:25
music really
70:26
um maybe lyrics or whatever
70:30
he was very vocal about what he wanted
70:32
and pretty precise when he was teaching
70:35
himself new dances
70:37
and i always liked that he reached out
70:39
to
70:40
the tip top
70:41
he got the best of whatever they were
70:44
doing yes yes and if the takeaway that
70:47
you can where you make a big difference
70:49
between prince and him
70:50
for me
70:52
that says a lot and and it’s and and of
70:55
the character traits
70:57
that perhaps
70:59
should be adopted would be always seek
71:01
the best be around the best people yep
71:04
be around the best yeah prince for some
71:06
reason you know a lot of people bring up
71:09
that james brown show and i’ve often had
71:11
time to think about it a little bit
71:13
where he choked you know like kind of
71:15
like got on stage and it was overwhelmed
71:17
by this experience because i was there
71:20
and i’ve now had a lot of time to think
71:21
about and i thought well maybe so i mean
71:24
it just said now that you bring up these
71:26
two
71:27
michael
71:28
knew how to ask for the songs he wanted
71:32
he knew he’d stay in the studio until he
71:34
got that hook
71:35
that he thought worked he had great ears
71:37
yeah he knew what a hit
71:44
um
71:44
that’s so wild to me
71:47
um but surround yourself with the best
71:50
and and also
71:51
when he committed he committed
71:55
it wasn’t halfway
71:57
so maybe in that respect
72:03
but people do and i think it’s fair
72:05
they’re both very different but on a
72:07
certain level the takeaway for me and
72:09
looking at someone like michael jackson
72:11
and it’s a great
72:12
business trait and and le and he was you
72:15
know
72:16
he committed and he always wanted to
72:18
surround himself with the best i mean
72:20
talk about another narcissist they all
72:22
are but nothing spooked him and maybe
72:25
that’s because he was raised in the
72:26
business so he had a sort of sense of
72:29
entitlement like i know who i am michael
72:30
jackson i can get anybody i want yeah
72:32
and for some reason it seemed like
72:34
prince may have doubted that or or
72:36
decided to
72:37
stay out of that lane
72:39
i mean michael learned a lot from barry
72:41
gordy and there’s no doubt about that i
72:44
mean if michael were alive today he’d be
72:46
hanging out with elon musk i mean we
72:48
know that we know who he would pick off
72:51
because he was kind of fascinated with
72:54
other people’s success as well
72:56
and and and there were people in those
72:59
days who were rightful experts
73:02
see the problem is we’ve lost
73:05
actual stars who were
73:08
had quality and who were rightfully
73:10
experts at their job
73:12
and now we’re just left with a bunch of
73:14
influencers on instagram and and and
73:16
believe it or not favorite platform but
73:19
it believe it or not that’s changed what
73:21
we
73:22
what we tolerate what we experienced we
73:24
lost david bowie another master yeah
73:27
that those losses should not be in vain
73:29
because we need to look at it those are
73:31
those were our bars yeah and they’re
73:33
gone well you know you know yeah i just
73:36
want to add quickly
73:38
and you know what what now he’s deceased
73:41
what
73:42
great soul balladeer
73:45
got one of his earlier breaks touring
73:47
with david bowie
73:49
um um billy preston no
73:53
known for his love songs
73:57
luther vandross yes yes
74:00
luther vandross in his early days he
74:03
used to be a backing vocalist yeah he
74:05
was on tour with david
74:07
brand new day for the wiz that michael
74:09
jackson and diana ross sang yeah
74:12
yeah
74:13
but yeah david bowie
74:15
yeah because i like i when we had albums
74:20
i would always read the liner notes
74:23
who’s producing who’s singing background
74:26
how do you think i found out who jill
74:28
was
74:29
lying reading lightning notes
74:32
but i’ll tell you i sit in awe
74:35
with um for example like when i heard
74:37
windows cry and i heard that song for
74:39
the first time on mtv i was like in awe
74:42
because i never heard anything like it i
74:43
still sit that way with one of you
74:45
starting something by michael jackson
74:47
i’m like how did you decide this is
74:49
going to be the first song to start the
74:51
album off because it really
74:53
makes you feel upset yeah you feel it it
74:55
makes a lot of sense and it’s like it
74:57
gets you hyped up to want to listen to
74:59
the rest of it
75:01
well just to give give give props to ms
75:04
jill i was chatting with one of my
75:06
buddies i hadn’t spoke to for a long
75:08
time to because i need okay i go
75:10
i go which one of the shows i do it goes
75:13
i love aisha and jill and like she goes
75:16
yeah and jill was in purple and i go how
75:18
do you know that
75:20
any and he nailed the scene that you
75:21
were into he remembers the whole day so
75:24
funny oh you know i um text you earlier
75:27
this week because i was watching the
75:28
wnba and they were honoring a player
75:31
who’d start got her start in 1999 and
75:34
they only played the female vocals yeah
75:37
which was so funny
75:39
yeah they’re playing that they’re
75:40
playing 99. that’s very nice
75:43
of the female vocals
75:44
it’s like prince got a little play but
75:46
they got all the female vocals girl
75:49
power
75:50
yes kill jones
75:53
these young girls playing on this court
75:55
don’t even realize
75:57
no
75:58
they don’t know they don’t got it all
76:01
right uh
76:03
let’s go on the other side of the
76:04
pendulum unfortunately the recent 66th
76:07
anniversary of the murder of emmett till
76:11
in 2005 i was a presenter at a
76:15
conference um
76:18
on the 50th anniversary of the trial for
76:22
emmett till
76:24
and um
76:26
uh his mother had passed away the year
76:28
before
76:29
and one of the people that i met was
76:31
keith bouchamp
76:33
who is assisting with the film
76:37
till
76:39
um that will star whoopi goldberg and
76:40
they do yes i write about that yes yeah
76:43
and i knew about this
76:45
let’s see he told me about this in 2015
76:48
that they had um been working on it and
76:50
it would be goldberg had committed
76:53
and
76:54
um they just recently cast the young man
76:56
who’s going to be playing emmett till
76:58
um i remember the first time i
77:01
i read about him until i was
77:04
13
77:06
and i saw the pictures and i mean i
77:09
couldn’t sleep for like
77:11
i had nightmares for a week
77:13
after seeing the pictures of what was
77:15
done to him
77:16
and the fact that the woman
77:20
carolyn bryant is still alive
77:23
and you know they’ve been trying to
77:25
prosecute her for the last
77:28
what 17 years
77:30
[Laughter]
77:33
it’s it’s
77:34
something and it’s just it’s one of
77:36
those things where
77:38
you know
77:39
um
77:40
when rosa parks
77:42
um down on the bus that day in december
77:46
december 1st 1955
77:48
she said she was thinking about emmett
77:49
till
77:50
because he had just been murdered that
77:52
august
77:55
wow
77:58
jill you’re on mute for some strange
78:01
reason
78:05
you’re on mute jills for some reason i
78:07
had a i had a um
78:09
ambulance okay i don’t know what is
78:12
going on down the street
78:15
hopefully my neighbors are okay
78:17
yes you know you just never know during
78:19
covet it was so weird to see ambulances
78:22
coming and the lights fly that was
78:24
really a strange ominous feeling
78:26
yeah i mean with emma till it goes back
78:28
to the whole thing for me uh
78:30
you know with the voting rights i mean
78:32
here we are 66 years later
78:35
hasn’t changed we’ve got a bunch of
78:36
karen’s that are
78:38
just replaying you know the same script
78:41
that emmett till’s uh
78:43
uh
78:44
accuser did and uh we’ve been seeing it
78:47
for a while
78:49
um the interesting thing for me is why
78:51
all of these horrible things are
78:55
circulating at the end of a summer cycle
78:59
when we’re getting ready to move into
79:00
fall uh
79:02
there’s some very interesting symbolism
79:04
going on at the moment
79:06
and you know for that i think that is
79:08
something that
79:10
we we can’t seem to rise above out of
79:13
this and and look at things with
79:16
truth and respect and honor
79:19
and here we are still here fighting a
79:21
nation that really doesn’t want black
79:23
people to be
79:25
any better than
79:28
than what they’ve given us
79:30
you know they throw us crumbs and want
79:32
us to pretend it is a sourdough loaf a
79:34
baguette
79:40
brought this story up it made me think
79:42
that
79:43
how in at least 10 at least 10 to 15
79:46
states in the united states
79:49
lynching
79:50
is still legal it totally is yeah yeah
79:53
and they tried to change the meaning of
79:55
it for example um
79:57
this came to bear in south carolina in
80:00
2004 when i was living there
80:02
and um they had arrested some high
80:05
school students for a brawl
80:07
and charged them with lynching
80:10
because they defined lynching as
80:12
um
80:14
two or more people
80:16
engaged in some kind of physical
80:19
altercation and so
80:21
it it really is astonishing how these
80:25
states have come to define lynching
80:28
and so that it doesn’t meet what
80:31
we would consider lynching so that they
80:33
could apply it equally across the board
80:36
but it doesn’t it doesn’t work that way
80:38
and the children that mind you that were
80:41
arrested that year
80:43
in 2004 were black were black kids
80:47
arrested for lynching
80:50
and so it it’s like
80:53
it
80:54
we still have we still have that but we
80:56
also have this
80:58
this history of lynching in the united
81:00
states where
81:03
even in 1963 when they were looking for
81:05
the three civil rights workers they came
81:07
up with like eight bodies out the river
81:09
yeah
81:10
um
81:11
and a lot of those could not have you
81:14
know people who did that couldn’t be
81:16
charged so
81:18
we have a very unequal application in
81:21
this country in terms of how
81:23
we um
81:25
apply this link these lynching laws
81:27
across states but remember we also have
81:29
a congress and a senate that would not
81:33
would not support the emmett if they
81:35
wouldn’t sometimes have them why did
81:36
everybody think that the voting rights
81:38
thing is going to pass i mean let’s just
81:40
be honest i think that you know
81:43
there’s some home truths that have come
81:45
come to uh fruition about everything
81:49
you know uh about all of these countries
81:52
all of their dirty deeds look in canada
81:54
you have the the whole thing i mean good
81:56
god they they weren’t
81:58
an orphanage they weren’t any of that
82:00
they were murderers they just took kids
82:02
in and killed them no different
82:05
than auschwitz or dachau
82:08
right because some of them were so young
82:10
that they didn’t even get to live their
82:12
lives
82:13
that i mean to the po you know give me a
82:15
break
82:16
and everybody i don’t know if people
82:20
have honor for their family or they
82:21
don’t but i believe every child’s name
82:25
that went missing if family members can
82:27
remember if there’s dna that can connect
82:29
them
82:30
i think that the names of everybody who
82:32
worked in those places should be made
82:34
public
82:35
i think that everybody should be looked
82:37
at scrutinized just just even if it’s
82:40
the side eye from the crowd
82:42
i i know it’s terrible but
82:45
it’ll never bring them back but they’ve
82:47
all done their dirty deeds all of them
82:50
and now they’re standing here like oh
82:52
you know oh my god what are we
82:54
you know
82:55
that’s a terrible thing to do it’s like
82:57
we’re in a freaking monty python movie a
83:00
sad one i mean where’s the comedy yeah
83:03
there is
83:04
here too because you think about all the
83:06
mental quote unquote they’re looking out
83:08
they’re looking now oh they’re looking
83:10
and
83:10
they put black kids in those things in
83:13
those those institutions i know and and
83:16
a lot of them were being raped abused
83:19
and and
83:20
sterilized for no reason well that’s the
83:23
interesting thing about my grandmother
83:25
my great
83:27
great grandmother
83:29
because christy
83:30
was talking to me about it but it’s true
83:33
we cannot find out
83:35
when she had my mom’s dad where
83:39
what his birth certificate is was
83:41
non-existent different day we don’t know
83:43
who his dad is forget anything her dad
83:46
he suddenly got papers but it’s you know
83:49
it’s a mess all i just keep thinking is
83:52
we’re in a major shift because all these
83:55
things don’t just rise to the surface it
83:57
is like you know we’ve been dragging a
84:00
river and all the bodies are now coming
84:02
up
84:02
it really feels like all these things
84:05
are being resurrected i mean i think
84:08
this is the second coming for america to
84:10
figure out who it really wants to be
84:12
it’s either going to go straight to hell
84:14
or it’s going to get together
84:16
if i were a betting person i’d say it’s
84:18
going straight to hell
84:19
but you know that that’s just from what
84:22
i see we have a lot of work to do to get
84:24
rid of people what scares me about when
84:26
they don’t implement those laws because
84:28
we’re putting a lot of faith into an
84:31
abstract group of people called gen z
84:34
and i will give it to you they have
84:36
never
84:37
you know they go through their things
84:38
with the shootings and the this and and
84:40
i understand and it’s terrible
84:42
but the minute capitalism gets in the
84:45
way where a person gets a choice to be
84:47
rich or poor
84:50
gen z ain’t going to pull through either
84:51
for everybody they’ll sell everybody
84:53
else out too and maybe be even more
84:55
brutal about it
84:57
and i don’t see much empathy in that
84:59
group i see a lot of i see a lot of give
85:02
me a label give me a name this is what i
85:04
am this is who i am and i don’t see that
85:06
as being a sustainable way to live
85:08
either in a society
85:10
yeah and let’s be clear the emmett till
85:13
anti-lynching bill
85:15
the person who voted against it
85:17
was rand paul
85:19
yeah but there’s a reason he keeps
85:21
getting voted in
85:22
the issue is
85:24
people please stop
85:26
trying to be friends with these people
85:28
if you’re in kentucky and you’re poor
85:30
you’re poor if you shun their family
85:32
shun their kids
85:33
don’t don’t use them you know the reason
85:35
it did not pass you know in japan they
85:38
have really weird things about honor and
85:40
family and you know even somebody who’s
85:42
a criminal can ruin the whole family on
85:44
a course that’s
85:46
you can’t even return from you know what
85:49
i’m saying i think we need to have a
85:50
little bit of honor somewhere here
85:53
i i don’t see you know
85:55
i’m looking at a child online who’s been
85:58
needing a heart transplant so he’s only
86:01
like five or six
86:02
and then i see some old dusty uh
86:05
taxidermy
86:07
the prince uh
86:09
the queen’s husband i mean let’s be
86:11
honest they put fresh new hearts in
86:13
these old geezers
86:15
that’s like
86:16
i’ve had two siblings on
86:18
donorless and it is
86:20
that’s like wearing a mop ridden dress
86:24
that’s like you know they gave hearts to
86:26
the rockefeller how many did david
86:28
rockefeller have or whatever whichever
86:30
one it was
86:31
oh my god how many hours jay’s had a few
86:33
where are they getting them where’s the
86:35
list oh because they’re rich and there’s
86:38
children i’m sorry there’s just you know
86:40
so they can be rule and have more hate
86:43
in the world
86:44
we god only knows how they’re getting
86:46
them
86:47
yeah come on people we and we as the
86:50
lower classes have been oh okay well
86:52
they’re rich what are we going to do
86:55
yeah it’s too much we’re all being asked
86:57
to be something
87:00
on all levels here we’re all being
87:02
challenged by our abstract beliefs
87:06
and our fundamental beliefs and then
87:08
what our realities are
87:10
this is a shift for everybody on every
87:12
level it’s not just they’re right we’re
87:14
wrong this is their wrong whatever
87:16
there’s a shift in abstract beliefs here
87:20
because abstract beliefs
87:22
is what got us here
87:24
god did this god did that this one that
87:27
one you know i’m sorry i could never
87:29
step into a church with some of the
87:31
hateful things that most of those guys
87:33
do
87:34
and think that they’re men of you know
87:35
god but then they found out this one was
87:37
a peter denied so and so this one did
87:40
that you know stop it
87:42
just stop
87:44
these people
87:45
there’s a i’m going to send you guys
87:47
this there is a funny thing about jim
87:50
baker it’s on youtube
87:52
and somebody edited all of his best
87:55
stuff the christian
87:56
jim baker i seen it about god talking to
87:59
him when he was in prison
88:01
when he was with his wife tammy it is
88:04
the best of and it is scary to think and
88:08
then they’re hawking food to give people
88:10
to prepare for the return of jesus that
88:13
people who are on pa you know people are
88:15
sending money for this and it’s let me
88:17
tell you what the food is it’s in a bag
88:19
it’s dehydrated food there are old
88:21
people ordering this crap
88:24
it’s so frightening to think america has
88:27
not really challenged it it seems to
88:29
think that freedom is letting people
88:31
just do whatever they want and then
88:32
determine who should be charged and who
88:35
shouldn’t be but i feel that people
88:37
should actually start going after the
88:39
fcc for allowing fox to stay on for
88:42
allowing these shows to stay on i think
88:44
it’s wrong they get mad if i take my
88:46
shirt off and show my boobs there’s
88:48
something wrong with a nation that
88:50
freaks out more over a nude body than it
88:52
does with half of the crap that they’ve
88:54
been saying for the last four
88:56
years
88:57
there’s a problem and it’s called white
89:00
men
89:01
yeah i mean
89:03
you have the other part of the emmett so
89:05
murder is that the two white men that
89:07
saw him were acquitted
89:09
okay by other by 12 other white men
89:13
and um
89:15
when you read the transcripts and and in
89:18
an interview with one of the the jury
89:20
foreman he’s like yeah we decided in 10
89:23
minutes the first 10 minutes that um
89:26
they were acquitted we just took an
89:28
extra 10 minutes to have a soda break
89:32
yeah i mean that was
89:35
not yeah i mean
89:40
and the other side of it is that we’re
89:42
coming upon some other anniversaries in
89:44
september of the church bombing in in
89:47
birmingham and you realize too that a
89:50
lot of children
89:51
sacrificed their their lives were
89:54
sacrificed
89:55
during
89:56
the civil rights movement
89:58
it was um i always when i always did my
90:02
research and presentations on i always
90:03
talked about how it really was a
90:06
movement for children and you’re talking
90:07
about children as young as 8 up through
90:10
20
90:12
and
90:12
um
90:14
the impact that people made because i
90:16
went to fisk university where john lewis
90:18
went and john lewis was one of his
90:21
things that he’s known for around
90:22
nashville was trying to integrate
90:25
lunch counters there in 1960
90:28
and he was very young he was like 19 at
90:31
the time
90:32
and i think that
90:35
um
90:36
what we have now we we don’t have a
90:39
movement where you have you have young
90:41
people getting involved but only to a
90:44
point
90:45
not willing to lay down their lives i
90:48
think no i i disagree i think the kids
90:50
during
90:52
during george floyd really were out
90:54
there laying down their lives i do
90:56
believe that there were children of all
90:58
races involved in that
91:00
but
91:02
i wonder if the fear of dying was the
91:04
same the fear of dying they’re in gangs
91:08
the hell are you they they don’t really
91:11
every kid out here is ordering guns that
91:13
you put together from a model
91:15
printer
91:16
no no no no it’s called laziness it’s
91:18
called disrespect it’s called not having
91:20
any connection to these deaths they play
91:22
they don’t see that they don’t care
91:24
about emmett till they only care about
91:26
it when they want to make a talking
91:27
point i’m gonna cut it here because we
91:29
can go on a while and i’m just gonna
91:31
that’ll that’ll you know i just want to
91:33
catch up with comments christy was
91:35
saying about ha ha me and my sister
91:37
fight all the time who was bitter she’s
91:39
a michael fan and i’m a prince fan
91:41
uh black beauty’s saying yes and just
91:43
like in 65 americans are mostly
91:45
irritated with our people for our desire
91:47
for equality and here we are in summer
91:49
2020 and america still has their dated
91:52
us
91:53
real django it’s a frequent
91:54
merry-go-round black beauty this culture
91:56
refuses to learn from past mistakes
91:59
real django says and then acts like
92:01
we’re so great when i’m in fact
92:03
america’s america’s pathetic
92:06
and he says and don’t get me on the
92:08
government it’s a joke
92:10
real django the law is a joke and real
92:12
dingo says exactly miss joan this is
92:15
jones all right
92:18
last
92:18
one last comment on this for me it’s
92:21
been it it is a really weird
92:23
understanding of this because i grew up
92:25
in a city that
92:27
was at one point in cities that had a
92:30
population of 125 000 or more was like
92:33
the third most deadliest city for gun
92:36
violence but it also
92:38
in 1970 had the black panther trials and
92:41
so growing up in those two shadows the
92:44
fear of
92:45
dying
92:46
by a random bullet
92:49
scared me more than probably dying as a
92:52
result of um any kind of protest
92:56
interesting
92:57
interesting all right
92:59
let’s get to our last as always end off
93:01
our conversations this episode’s
93:02
cockroach christy kirsty noem
93:06
you brought this person up jill
93:09
how about well as we know the bikers uh
93:12
who were there for sturgis
93:14
um they were there what three weeks four
93:16
weeks
93:17
uh three week festival i don’t know they
93:21
were unmasked
93:22
now they’re showing numbers that are one
93:24
thousand five hundred and fifty percent
93:28
spike beyond
93:30
um
93:32
their hospitals are full
93:35
this woman
93:36
in my opinion is another failure of the
93:38
american government the united states
93:40
government failed
93:42
by
93:42
not removing her there should be
93:44
something in place that she should have
93:46
been physically removed from her
93:48
location and her office because
93:51
you cannot do what she just did and i
93:53
think that she should be held
93:54
accountable and liable and she should be
93:57
people should you know there’s as many
94:00
lawyers that there are in america
94:01
somebody needs it will find a way to sue
94:03
her personally
94:04
she should be held accountable role that
94:06
she have in all this jill she’s a girl
94:07
she she’s a governor and she does not
94:10
believe in masking and she’s catering
94:13
and pandering to the trump party so i
94:15
hope all those people who drove in and
94:18
now there are people who are not even
94:20
from sturgis
94:21
are now out there spreading delta
94:23
variant and as i told you all today
94:25
they’ve recognized another layer to
94:28
another strength
94:29
variant from the delta in the uk that
94:33
has been ravaging their communities
94:35
again and it is stronger than the delta
94:37
it is an offshoot of it and that’s going
94:40
to be here if it’s not already here now
94:42
because by the time when they announce
94:44
it you know there’s something called
94:45
airplanes remember aisha right
94:47
and right that’s what happens it’s most
94:49
likely here so someone like christie
94:51
noam and these are the people who are in
94:55
my mind the real war that was going on
94:58
in america for the last couple of years
94:59
and they should be held for war crimes
95:02
and i believe that our allies in the
95:04
next round if they ask us to get
95:05
involved in anything else we should be
95:08
um held accountable to the hague as well
95:10
as everybody else if we go into any more
95:12
treaties and they should make us
95:14
accountable as well
95:16
they need to because remember trump
95:18
pardoned
95:19
trump hardened the people that we have
95:21
had that stupid idiot who killed that
95:24
whole village um he got away with it one
95:27
of the soldiers so we have a problem and
95:29
like i said there’s going to be a shift
95:31
this is just not america’s time saturn
95:34
is staying in in
95:35
i know everybody i’m in astrology and
95:37
stuff saturn is a is a time of reckoning
95:40
and when it sits in a chart in this
95:42
country’s chart where it’s sitting it
95:44
sits for 12 years
95:45
so
95:46
it’s going to be bad and neptune hasn’t
95:49
been looking too good either and neither
95:50
has pluto so there’s a lot that america
95:54
has to answer for and when saturn is
95:56
where it is it’s called karma it is a
95:59
karmic
96:00
you know when people have their saturn
96:02
returns and it’s sitting in your house
96:03
and things like that
96:05
um
96:06
some people
96:08
don’t survive their saturn returns um
96:11
you have one early in your life when
96:12
you’re like 27 or in your late 20s
96:16
26 20 whatever
96:18
and these are just things that happen
96:20
it’s
96:21
and they can be very quite challenging
96:23
things change very dramatically for you
96:26
and then it comes back around again
96:29
and generally around 56 57 i’m not
96:33
trying to spook anybody it’s just it is
96:35
very interesting where the planetary
96:36
alignments are with america and now it’s
96:39
in aquarius as well there’s a planet
96:42
that shifted into aquarius
96:44
saturn has been going back and forth
96:46
between aquarius and capricorn and if we
96:49
know anything about any capricorn
96:51
friends out there what’s the one thing
96:52
about a capricorn friend it’s about
96:54
money it’s about institutions aquarius
96:57
if you have any aquarius friends let’s
96:58
put into this context they’re about
97:00
expansion let’s move let’s progress
97:03
let’s do this so there is a real
97:06
dichotomy of polarity that’s going back
97:08
and forth
97:09
with the shift and that’s why this is
97:11
the shift
97:13
i just say go after her with the same
97:15
urgency that they went after andrew
97:17
cuomo well they possibly can because if
97:20
we stay in aquarius
97:22
that means somebody and people will want
97:24
to change existing laws like
97:27
change it’s overhaul this lasts yeah
97:30
it’s called an overhaul i mean she just
97:32
people
97:35
you know
97:36
making it illegal to mandate masks in
97:39
the schools in
97:41
state agencies i i mean she just needs
97:44
to go she’s killing her people and south
97:46
dakota only has but so many people in it
97:50
and she is killing them she wants to get
97:52
rid of the natives but they outsmarted
97:54
her they’re most of their navajo are all
97:57
vaccinated yeah
98:00
that’s what she’s doing all right and i
98:02
wouldn’t be surprised if we found out
98:03
that those people were driving through
98:06
or there’s certain um low end tactics
98:09
that have been going on
98:11
i don’t know the native community well
98:13
enough to know but i believe that that’s
98:15
what she was doing you know racists do
98:17
all sorts of stuff but i’d probably see
98:19
the majority of those people that were
98:20
at the sturgis are going back down south
98:23
where it is oh absolutely yeah horribly
98:26
horribly dire straits when it comes i
98:29
know
98:30
i know well
98:32
that’s a wrap folks i i just want to
98:34
take one one second we talk a lot about
98:37
really bad people
98:39
i just want to highlight one person
98:42
who has a book
98:43
and who i think that
98:45
people if you don’t know who she is you
98:47
might want to go read about her
98:50
her name is michaela de prince and she’s
98:53
an african-american she’s an african
98:56
ballerina and her story
99:01
if you want inspiration uh look her up
99:04
michaela de prince she
99:06
came from africa totally rejected
99:09
in her life was very hard if i say the
99:12
least
99:13
difficult beyond
99:15
what this child endured she had vitiligo
99:18
just like
99:19
michael jackson
99:20
uh both of her parents were killed by
99:23
terrorists in in the sudan or wherever
99:26
she’s from
99:27
and a couple from new jersey adopted her
99:29
where
99:30
in the list at the orphanage she
99:32
mentioned that on a list between 1 and
99:35
27 at the orphanage she was number 27.
99:39
the number one spot got the most food so
99:42
imagine where she was they used to call
99:43
her the devil’s child
99:45
because of the vitiligo
99:48
and all these things happened to her
99:50
uh horrific things i won’t go into
99:53
but a white
99:56
white woman and her husband adopted
99:59
her
100:00
and with nine other kids that they got
100:02
from africa
100:04
and the story is so
100:06
incredibly beautiful she talks about
100:08
being in africa and a magazine flew in
100:11
the wind and she saw it on a fence and
100:13
it was a ballerina
100:15
she’d never seen anything like that and
100:16
made her happy
100:18
so she went to
100:20
you know when she met this woman
100:22
she couldn’t understand her but she’s
100:24
the woman said to her what do you want
100:26
to do she
100:28
pulled this little picture she’d been
100:29
saving a ballerina and that woman and
100:31
her husband put her and she became she
100:34
was at the dance theater of holler and
100:36
she really did become a ballerina and
100:38
she also is one of the lead dancers for
100:41
beyonce
100:42
um her story
100:44
is phenomenal
100:46
it is inspiring it’s courageous
100:49
the things this person endured
100:52
is we need to hear more about these
100:55
people
100:56
because
100:58
what an uplifting human being
101:01
from so much pain
101:02
so i’d like to also even though we may
101:05
show a cockroach here and there i’d like
101:07
to really celebrate those that really
101:11
just change the balance and inspire this
101:14
child i’m sorry today i just went this
101:15
michaela de prince
101:17
just an incredible human being
101:20
and
101:21
and if we really want to talk about any
101:23
god or lord or universe oh he’s been
101:26
with her the whole way
101:28
he oh the whole way maybe not the way we
101:31
think bad things or
101:33
he
101:34
there’s an angel she has angels and
101:37
she’s an angel when you look at her you
101:39
you feel them present
101:41
so her story is very important
101:43
thank you jill for ending off our
101:45
conversation on that but we have to
101:48
give a good homage to another lady uh
101:51
unfortunately folks we are losing an
101:54
unseen member of our team
101:56
on the 31st of this month there has been
101:59
a lady behind the scenes named maddie
102:02
who was an intern at a college in the
102:04
greater toronto area where i live and
102:07
she has been doing a lot of work
102:09
to help what you see well not well some
102:12
of it live and if you watch the replay
102:15
she does an incredible amount of work on
102:17
on that with editing audio video wise
102:20
the uh the little clip that you see the
102:23
opening you see the beginning with the
102:24
shinjill she did that the clip in the
102:26
middle she did that
102:28
and uh we’re going to be losing she’s
102:30
going back to school next week
102:33
thank you maddie for everything
102:35
what a beautiful another beautiful
102:37
person yeah making a difference she’s
102:39
one of the gen z yes and your daughter
102:42
that i think are
102:43
awesome so we are going to really really
102:46
miss you and we we are there for you
102:48
anyway we can support and as you know
102:50
maddie i’m doing whatever i can to have
102:52
you still involved with us
102:54
because you took a load of stuff out of
102:56
my backpack when i could do some other
102:59
things i know that aisha and jill
103:01
appreciate you very much so we just want
103:03
to wish you the the best in your future
103:05
endeavors and we’re here to support you
103:08
whatever way we can and
103:11
and and chrissy’s saying she has done a
103:13
great job she has she really has
103:16
absolutely and i tell you that i i’ll
103:19
say it probably every time i i on a call
103:22
with her to yourself she always is
103:24
smiling
103:26
and she always wants to do stuff and uh
103:29
we so we think the world oh and look
103:32
who’s here
103:33
hi maddie
103:34
[Laughter]
103:37
i will miss you too so uh
103:40
it’s uh we hope
103:42
we’ll we’re gonna i’m gonna find a way
103:43
gotta find a way gotta find a way real
103:46
django saying yeah yep yep so yeah ma
103:49
and this is good because then mandy
103:50
maddie just to share you with the folks
103:52
she was liking working full-time
103:54
plus doing audio and video editing for
103:56
this show
103:57
at the same time
103:59
yeah
104:00
julian you
104:02
she was amazing yes
104:04
yes so
104:05
you know and
104:07
saying we miss you so
104:09
uh
104:10
definitely we just want to end off with
104:12
that and uh we’ll find we’re gonna find
104:14
a way some way somebody we want we want
104:16
to get you back and we are here again to
104:19
help you any way we can so
104:21
with that note
104:23
we end up as we usually do
104:25
ladies
104:27
how can we get a hold of jill jones
104:31
jill d jones at twitter and how do we
104:34
get a hold of aisha k staggers
104:37
ayesha staggers at twitter and next time
104:41
we have our um
104:42
ask us anything somebody remind me to
104:44
tell you the story about melissa
104:47
okay
104:48
all right good stuff
104:50
and i am dr vibe host and producer of
104:52
the award-winning doctor live show the
104:54
home of epic conversations and i am the
104:56
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104:58
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105:01
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105:03
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105:05
of the only online show in the world for
105:07
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105:17
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105:19
and drink initiative it’s a multimedia
105:20
not-for-profit
105:22
that showcases blocks in food wine and
105:26
drink
105:27
and i love that also too
105:29
like to thank everyone who helped make
105:30
this an epic conversation like hopefully
105:32
i can give a good roll call black beauty
105:35
gene blue
105:37
reigns uh
105:39
green eyed
105:41
who else the inspired thought
105:44
christy white
105:46
uh we’ve also got the inspire the
105:48
inspired thought
105:50
t stevens
105:52
and of course
105:53
maddie
105:56
always i end off my conversations like
105:58
this live your life as a dream if you
105:59
can dream it you can make it sometimes
106:01
you have to get smaller to get stronger
106:03
block assumptions the name bigger aim
106:05
better aim higher aim wider love faith
106:08
and respect and remember to give
106:09
yourself grace god bless peace well keep
106:12
the faith
106:13
and
106:14
what good take care everybody and again
106:16
thanks for watching live and thanks for
106:18
watching on the replay and listening to
106:19
the replay
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